Barack Obama is sharing rare insight into his marriage with Michelle Obama.

The former U.S. president says he has been spending more time doing fun things with his wife after his two back-to-back terms in the White House, which ended in 2017.

“I was in a deep deficit with my wife,” the Democratic leader told Hamilton College President Steven Tepper at an April 3 event that was part of the school’s Sacerdote Series, “so I have been trying to dig myself out of that hole by doing occasionally fun things.”

The former president went on to talk about his life at home with Michelle and their children, Malia Obama, 26, and Sasha Obama, 23, while discussing times he has not been able to communicate as effectively as he wanted to.

“First of all, I constantly lose arguments to my wife, my daughters,” he said. “They mock me and ridicule me at the dinner table.”

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